"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
05/18/2018 at 14:32 • Filed to: None
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"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
05/18/2018 at 14:32 • Filed to: None | 10
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We have to strip down to our bare feet before we are allowed passage to the airport terminal. Our liquid is limited to the bare minimum. Laptops have to go into separate bins. We are placed in capsules where our bodies are scanned in search of potential weapons before we are reunited with our belongings one by one. This is to ensure the safety of everyone on that plane. Fine. Whatever.
Lawmakers fight tooth and nail to ensure that a fetus is birthed despite the will of the mind that is tending to that fetus. ‘All life is precious’ they say. Laws are passed with frightening passion.
And yet here we are. The laws that protect ownership of firearms are held in higher regard than the children struck down by them.
This isn’t right.
LOREM IPSUM
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 14:54 |
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Put TSA in charge of school security. Problem solved?
Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 14:58 |
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uh oh, be prepared for PatBateman and Markbruin Atlas to come hark on you using the “thoughts and prayers” meme
BigBlock440
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 15:02 |
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So, put better security at schools. Or put restrictions on the violent media that kids can consume, and get rid of protection free zones. But those won’t happen, because nobody actually cares about protecting the kids.
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> BigBlock440
05/18/2018 at 15:20 |
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the “violent video games causes these shootings” myth has been debunked time and time again but republicans always love bringing it up
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> BigBlock440
05/18/2018 at 15:22 |
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The fact is that analyses of school shooting incidents from the US Secret Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime do not support a link between violent games and real world attacks.
Svend
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 15:25 |
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I agree with you, heck most of the world agrees with you.
But I’m not going to get into it anymore after this, I give up, totally give up.
People say,
‘why should I face difficulties in my gun ownership, just because someone else may get hold of a gun’, it’s precisely that.
‘it’s for me security and my family’, who are you pissing off that you think you and your family need a gun to protect them?
‘it’s to protect my home’, crap, if it was that you’d get cameras and upgrade the house rather than wait for them to get in.
‘it’s in the constitution’, so, amend it.
‘you can’t change the constitution’, yes you can, it’s an amendment for hecks sake, the right to bare arms is itself an amendment into the constitution.
‘ye’, but you can’t amend it out’, yes you can. The 18th amendment prohibited alcohol, the 21st amendment repealed that. In fact it’s the only amendment that has been ratified out.
farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 15:26 |
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you know.. about 150 mass shootings ago i could still manage to get angry about that shit
150 times of jack fucking shit being done about it makes me think you lot are apparently ok with it
so its sad kids got shot and died... but thats just part of growing up over there i guess
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LOREM IPSUM
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 15:30 |
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Just because a study makes a claim, doesn’t mean they’re necessarily correct or that their findings are in our best interests.
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 15:33 |
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considering the FBI has found no link in real world cases id say its pretty air tight, and there are multiple studies on the subject throughout the last 20 years. the results just dont back up the claim that violent video games and movies play a role in these shootings
Dr_Watson
> BigBlock440
05/18/2018 at 15:34 |
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Lets make schools look like prison.
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LOREM IPSUM
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 15:42 |
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I honestly can’t say one way or another, but the games of today are far more graphic and realistic than anything available in the 70's-late 90's, so I’m not necessarily convinced the studies are still relevant if their data goes back 20 years.
We used to play mario and street fighter, now it’s Socom and COD where killing IS the game and body counts are the only thing that matter. When all of your free time is spent honing your killing skills, and the rest of your time is being socially castrated by your classmates, really bad shit might just be the result.
nermal
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 15:46 |
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From the last report that I read, the shooter in this instance was 17.
According to my math, at that age he would not have been able to legally purchase a firearm. I haven’t read how he obtained the one that he used, but surely that information will come out. Regardless, in this case, adding additional restrictions to the legal purchase and ownership of firearms would do absolutely nothing to prevent this shooting. It was committed by a person that already could not legally purchase and own a firearm!
So far, the shooter seems to be the weird kid at school that wore a trench-coat and liked both Nazi and Communist stuff. There’s no word yet on if he had previous interactions that could show a violent pattern leading up to this.
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Dr_Watson
> LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 15:46 |
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There’s enough of these studies though to run meta analysis studies of the studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27121494/
“This meta-analysis included 37 independent studies involving 10,410 participants.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29093050/?i=4&from=/27121494/related
+ Many more.
Though I’ve yet to see a meta analysis that doesn’t find at least a minor risk from screen violence. So the OP isn’t exactly right there.
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Svend
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
05/18/2018 at 15:48 |
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If it was anywhere else in the world the Americans would be jumping all over them to get something done.
There are somethings you just can’t tell people.
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> Svend
05/18/2018 at 15:50 |
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yeah....... but its frustrating watching them burn their hands on the oven over and over again and somehow not learning that its hot
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 15:52 |
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20 years goes back to 98, there were lots of violent video games and movies coming out back then, Doom was a big one and lets not forget Mortal Kombat, and saving private ryan was in theaters, there were enough violent video games back then that it was a common link to the colombine shooters which psychologists and law enforcement agencies later came out and denied any link to.
Video games are the easiest scapegoat for pearl clutching republicans to blame and everytime new studies come out disproving the myths. there just simply isnt a link. just like theres no link between street racing accidents and racing video games
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LOREM IPSUM
> Dr_Watson
05/18/2018 at 16:07 |
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Again, I don’t know for sure, but it’s seemingly true that the games themselves aren’t likely to cause an otherwise happy and well adjusted individual to emulate them, so the studies probably aren’t wrong at face value.
Swap out that individual with someone who is emotionally suffering, however. Swap them with someone who is relentlessly bullied 24/7, with no way of escape as they’re forced to occupy the same building 5 days a week and the same social media platforms 24/7/365 with no reasonable way to avoid the torment, and my money says the games might become a factor in precipitating mass violence.
That competitive spirit our society holds so dear makes each subsequent school shooter want to outdo the previous ones. Otherwise, why wouldn’t they just cap their target off of school grounds? When they make the decision to say “fuck it” and throw it all away, they want to take as many of their perceived enemies out as they can. Everyone wants to be top of the leaderboard, right?
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Svend
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
05/18/2018 at 16:08 |
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What I’ve learned is you can’t cure stupid. All you can do is not be around it.
People will still die from guns, gun owners will still say it’s nothing to do with them so why should they be burdened, government won’t do anything because it’s the right of the people to have guns, government won’t limit or restrict gun ownership because the gun lobby gives them so much money, etc...
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> Svend
05/18/2018 at 16:10 |
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yeah... you’re right
but still
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LOREM IPSUM
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 16:13 |
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I played Gran Turismo for 12 hours straight, and got pulled over doing double the speed limit later that day.
I accept responsibility, but I’ll be damned if that game wasn’t a contributing factor that day.
Also, doom and mortal combat were far more cartoon than the virtual battlefields that are todays popular games. Nobody ever got all that homicidal over Tetris. Well, maybe a little.
My bird IS the word
> Svend
05/18/2018 at 16:27 |
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I am willing to accept the violence because all the worst mass murderers in history were government officials. 8 kids? Try 50 million people in china, 20 million in russia, 8 million in germany, 2 million in Cambodia. So yeah.
coqui70
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 16:35 |
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It’s sad really ... the hypocrisy of the NRA and congress. They don’t want you anywhere near them if you are in possession of a firearm, but have no problem with people walking into a school with one. Cowards.
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TheHondaBro
> My bird IS the word
05/18/2018 at 16:43 |
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I’m pretty sure the families who just lost a child aren’t concerned about the magnitude of the tragedy.
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My bird IS the word
> TheHondaBro
05/18/2018 at 16:53 |
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Doesnt change the importance of being armed against the government. I could add more government sanctioned genocides if you still aren’t convinced.
If you assign value to life, you must assign it to all life.
duurtlang
> My bird IS the word
05/18/2018 at 17:08 |
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Are you really, honestly arguing the best argument for the issues the US so uniquely for a western country has with guns is that you need them to defend yourself against your government? Really?
There are many arguments to be made for the availability of guns as it currently is in the US. Your argument is not one of them. Do you honestly believe a few AR-15s have any effect against drones, aircraft, tanks and the like? That’s naive at best. Also, the link to Germany, Russia, China and Cambodia is, frankly, ignorant and offensive.
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duurtlang
> nermal
05/18/2018 at 17:15 |
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Well, availability of guns does matter. He might’ve sourced it from family or friends. He might’ve purchased it illegally. Either way, had he lived in almost any other western country he most likely wouldn’t have been able to get it at all. Certainly not with the ease he got it in the US.
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My bird IS the word
> duurtlang
05/18/2018 at 17:33 |
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Not at all. The intent behind the second amendment is just that, since the americans revolted against their lawful government just years prior to it being written. Arming the populace for a revolt is just that.
I our tanks and bombs were do impressive, how do the taliban exist still?
Aso, a few ar15s? Have you seen the sales figures? Millions last year alone.
My ancestors revolted against the english with farm equipment because the english had confiscated weapons years prior. Ask anyone in the military, wars are still won with warm bodies.
If you tell me to ignore history, that is truely foolish.
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> nermal
05/18/2018 at 17:35 |
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reports are saying both firearms were his fathers and they were both purchased legally. personally i think that means his father should be charged with at least manslaughter
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Dr_Watson
> LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 17:39 |
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Your assumptions are generally proven out in the research. Violent media doesn’t cause violent people but it does carry a small risk.
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duurtlang
> My bird IS the word
05/18/2018 at 17:52 |
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No, I’m telling you you’re misinterpreting history. Especially 20th century history. The idea that, for example, the Jews could’ve resisted the Nazis had they only had more guns is ludicrous and downright false. Just ask the Polish, French, Dutch, Belgian and (in May 1940) British armies.
Guerrilla warfare is the only type of resistance in 2018 where civilians with rifles can dream to be effective. Imagine, hypothetically, your government turns on its own people in such a way that you believe taking up arms is justified. The situation will have to be absolutely horrible. Before you do so surely the army must’ve made many casualties among the population. 1. Do you believe this is realistic? 2. Do you think if the government and army have sunk that low, do you really think they’ll walk the moral high ground and only hit those that hit them? No, they will execute 10 civilians for every soldier you take out. Which is a game you will lose so it’s a game you won’t play. So you choose your battles and only use lethal force very, very rarely. You don’t need millions upon millions of firearms to do so. You might need them for sport or hunting or whatever, you won’t need them to protect yourself against your government. This isn’t the 19th century any more.
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My bird IS the word
> duurtlang
05/18/2018 at 17:57 |
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Then we are all fucked, and its only a matter of time. I refuse to believe or live like that.
Ad the reason those armies lost was due to inferior tactics, so don’t give me lectures about history. Hundreds of millions of citizens around the world have been butchered by their governments. None were armed.
sony1492
> LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 18:12 |
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Counter Strike came out in 1999 and it is strictly about killing the enemy or planting a bomb, it is fairly realistic for the time.
Though being subject to violent things may contribute to this issue, getting rid of the games will not stop the killing. If we are asking where this pain comes from (within the shooters) we should look at social media, news, and a host of other factors. Just like any catastrophe it will be a combination of many factors. Why are teens feeling so much pressure these days?
Some would say hitting a punching bag is enabling you and giving you confidence to punch a person, others would say it’s a release of anger, or lastly they hit it because it’s fun or something they just want to do.
Do kids play cod and it prepares them to kill?, does it release some tension in their life, or do they do it because it’s fun?
Your boy, BJR
> My bird IS the word
05/18/2018 at 19:15 |
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Honestly at this point I wish that the government would round you up, but we both know deep down that the odds of that happening to a white male in America is never going to happen, and it’s not due to your ownership of guns.
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Your boy, BJR
> LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 19:18 |
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If you’re saying the game had even an iota of an affect on you speeding, you’re being a fucking childish dipshit and lying about accepting responsibilities for your actions.
If that’s not what you’re saying, then move along.
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My bird IS the word
> Your boy, BJR
05/18/2018 at 20:03 |
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Wll, I’m not the one wishing ill on strangers on the internet. That would say a tremendous amount about your character and state of mind.
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Your boy, BJR
> My bird IS the word
05/18/2018 at 20:46 |
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Yeah enjoy that moral high horse I just gifted you next time there’s a mass shooting. Prob won’t have to wait too long.
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My bird IS the word
> Your boy, BJR
05/18/2018 at 21:05 |
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As is my argument (which I guess you didn’t read either ;) ) the small amount of violence does not offset the threat of a tyrannical government, that collecticely has killed hundreds of millions of people globally. All the highest bodycounts belong to government officials, not random jabronis
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Your boy, BJR
> My bird IS the word
05/18/2018 at 21:48 |
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Yeah, I read your argument, and it’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. “If the Jews had guns, hitler wouldn’t have killed so many of them.”
By that logic I’d say let’s dispense more guns to our local Hispanic and Muslim populations, because they’ll prob be needing them most in the coming years, but something tells me you’re not as comfortable with that.
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LOREM IPSUM
> Your boy, BJR
05/18/2018 at 22:20 |
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You mean a video game, largely targeted towards the youth, absolutely cannot encourage childish (or otherwise ill advised) behavior? Man, please.
Young people do stupid shit all of the time, but give them a little motivation to act afool and they’ll step up to the plate more often than not. Jackass impersonators, backyard wrestling, F&F era, media plays a huge role in how much of the population thinks and acts, and you might just be a goddamn fool if you don’t recognize that.
Also, give me a break, it was like 20 years ago.
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LOREM IPSUM
> sony1492
05/18/2018 at 22:43 |
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CS came out in 1999, and Columbine was in 1999.
I agree that getting rid of the games won’t help. The cat is out of the bag, and you can’t put it back. That said, relieving stress through acting out fantasy mass murders might not be the most healthy way to cope, especially if you’re riding the bleeding edge of insanity already. I’m wholeheartedly against any type of ban or censorship, for what it’s worth, so I can offer no easy resolution. I just wish people would stop unloading on groups of others.
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My bird IS the word
> Your boy, BJR
05/19/2018 at 00:08 |
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Well according to your argument, they will never need guns, because the united states will stand as a shining beacon of justice and fairness forever.
Honestly? Yes. The blacks, muslims, and hispanics should arm themselves. Much of the Muslim majority nations are dictatorships. The hispanics come from corrupt governments that allow drug kingpins to roam free. The Poles had guns, and had a successful resistance movement for the entirety of the war:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_resistance_movement_in_World_War_II
Saved more Jews than any Allied group or nation.
History is your friend. You make arguments based off emotion, which is why you get so upset. Perhaps if you call me some more names you will feel better.
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duurtlang
> My bird IS the word
05/19/2018 at 02:42 |
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It’s only a matter of time if you expect it to be realistic that the government will turn on the population in such a way that taking up arms is a reasonable reply. I refuse to believe that to be realistic, it least where I live.
Well armed armies lost to the Nazis due to inferior tactics. Do you believe civilians marked for death (like the Jews) would have superior tactics than the well trained professional armies that were overrun? I’m sorry, but that’s incredibly naive to me. Had the Jews (and other persecuted groups like homosexuals, Roma, socialists, ...) in Europe in the late 1930s been better armed than your average NRA member in 2018, the genocidal result would’ve been almost exactly the same.
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My bird IS the word
> duurtlang
05/19/2018 at 14:46 |
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Ok. You want evidence then? Specific to world war 2, look at the poles. The reason every single country (including the french, mind you) lost because they put all their soldiers in a single line on the border. German blitzkreig tactics focused on making breakthroughs, surrounding soldiers and cutting off their supply lines faster than theirs was used up. Which is why when germany invaded russia they had such a hard time, as stalin used his forces expendably with multiple, gradually heavier lines. Which is why their invasion was repelled. The poles formed an organized resistance after their surrender and total destruction, that saved more jewish lives than any other allied force:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_resistance_movement_in_World_War_II
mostly, because they were
armed
. no tanks, planes, boats, artillery. civilian vehicles and firearms.
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BigBlock440
> Dr_Watson
05/21/2018 at 09:11 |
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So, you don’t care that kids keep getting killed?
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BigBlock440
> Your boy, BJR
05/21/2018 at 09:16 |
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You think the local hispanics don’t have guns? That’s cute.
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Dr_Watson
> BigBlock440
05/21/2018 at 11:08 |
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Pretty sure we’ve had this discussion before... I’m for regulation not living in the Bagdad green zone. So move along with the hot takes.